In this heartfelt and pastoral conversation, Justin and Trisha step into one of the most emotionally charged conversations in our cultural moment — immigration, ICE, border control, Christian nationalism, and what it means to follow Jesus in the middle of it all. Rather than offering political solutions or partisan talking points, they ask a deeper question: What does it look like to follow the person of Christ right now? Drawing from their own backgrounds — growing up in very different cultural environments, raising children with diverse political perspectives, adopting African-American children, and pastoring through the collective trauma of COVID and racial unrest — Justin and Trisha reflect on how fear, politics, and personal bias can shape our hearts in ways we don’t always recognize. Looking at the life of Jesus — His interactions with the Samaritan woman, Zacchaeus, and the woman caught in adultery — they remind us that Christ consistently moved toward the “other,” never compromising truth but always leading with dignity. This episode is not about telling you how to vote. It’s about inviting you to examine your heart. If you’ve felt overwhelmed, tense, or unsure how to engage these conversations faithfully, this episode is for you. Links and/or Resources: The Middle of Everywhere by Mary Pipher How to Heal Our Racial Divide by Derwin Gray Justin & Trisha’s books and relationship resources